International listeners can support TBT here: https://buy.stripe.com/14keVU54r5hQ55S000 Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group:  https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings In conversation with tonight’s guest, Talha Ahad. What was his journey like? When and why did TCM start? What is their business model? Did they sustain their core? How free is the media in Pakistan now? Where will TCM be 5 years from now? What is journalism? Will things get better and an insight into what’s happening around the world! Catch it all in tonight’s episode. Connect with us: • https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings • https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan TCM’s website: https://thecentrummedia.com/ The Pakistan Pivot podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c9K50ZVaps&t=27s

International listeners can support TBT here: https://buy.stripe.com/14keVU54r5hQ55S000 Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group:  https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings In conversation with tonight’s guest, Ayla Adnan. How she was able to access the American side of content? Was she able to convert the TikTok audience to Instagram? How did her parents’ divorce affect her personality? What is her understanding of women's empowerment? What is the organization she started voluntarily? What was her research about sanitary pads? How her school makes her passionate about certain issues? How does she feel like a woman living in Pakistan and much more? Catch it all in tonight’s episode!  Connect with us: • https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings • https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan Ayla’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/p/CWIzfDBo1D7/ The Pakistan Pivot podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c9K50ZVaps&t=27s

International listeners can support TBT here: https://buy.stripe.com/14keVU54r5hQ55S000 Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group:  https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings In conversation with a 30-year-old Entrepreneur tonight’s guest, Muhammad Nowkhaiz. What was his journey to success? What did he study? How was his life after graduation? How did Shopify come into the picture? What was Taza Daily? Why did he join Careem?  Why did he change his job? What is empowering Maqsood bhai? Catch this and more interesting insights into Nowkhaiz’s life in today’s episode! Connect with us: • https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings • https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan Retailo’s website: https://retailo.co/ The Pakistan Pivot podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c9K50ZVaps&t=24s

International listeners can support TBT here: https://buy.stripe.com/14keVU54r5hQ55S000 Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group:  https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings Understanding economics with tonight’s guest, Muzammil Aslam - spokesperson of the Minister of Finance. What was his journey like? What is economics according to him? What has he been working on? What are the structural changes the government is taking? Why is there still inflation and are we moving towards growth? Catch this and insight into Pakistan’s economy in today’s episode! Connect with us: • https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings • https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan Muzammil’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/MuzzammilAslam3 The Pakistan Pivot podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c9K50ZVaps&t=23s

International listeners can support TBT here: https://buy.stripe.com/14keVU54r5hQ55S000 Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group:  https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings Exploring his content creation journey with tonight’s guest, Mohammad Kashan of the idiotz. How did he start creating content? How did he get where he is today? What is the story behind the idiotz? What did they do when their page got deleted? What is the thought process behind their videos? Was his family supportive? How was his first international trip? Tune in to know more on Kashan’s views on the YouTube evolution, where he sees himself in 10 years. Catch it all in today’s episode! Connect with us: • https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings • https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan Kashan’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/connect.kashan/ The Idiotz YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/shikra123456789 The Pakistan Pivot podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c9K50ZVaps

International listeners can support TBT here: https://buy.stripe.com/14keVU54r5hQ55S000 Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group:  https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings Exploring her influencer journey with tonight’s guest, Hemayal Attique. How has her life been like? What does Hemayal think about the new influencer culture? What are the perks of being an influencer? Does she plan on diversifying her work? How does being an independent woman in Pakistan feel like? Catch it all in today’s episode. From knowing what Hemayal’s life has been like to what her goals in life are, let’s talk about it all! Here’s an insight to her journey, values and how she handles everyday tasks. Connect with us: • https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings • https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan Hemayal’s Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/hemayal/ The Pakistan Pivot podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MtBDzSqlnY

International listeners can support TBT here: https://buy.stripe.com/14keVU54r5hQ55S000 Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group:  https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings Exploring the journey of a music aficionado, Uzair Jaswal. How was his growing up years? What was his thought process back then? What were his majors? How has he got into Coke Studio? What were the major turning points in his life? How ‘Tere Bin’ changed a lot for him? How did it get picked by an Indian movie? How has the music industry evolved in Pakistan? Does he think it’s difficult to mainstream art in Islamabad? Tune in to know about his new album, what’s it about, what to expect, and how he envisions Pakistan of 2050! Connect with us: • https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings • https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan Uzair Jaswal’s Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/uzairjaswalofficial The Pakistan Pivot podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur38L-KDCpI

International listeners can support TBT here: https://buy.stripe.com/14keVU54r5hQ55S000 DISCLAIMER: The conversation in the latter part of the podcast is an open discussion. We may be right or wrong. If you agree or disagree on something, please engage with us in the comments or on our FB group. We would love to know your thoughts. Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group:  https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings Exploring the journey of art, painting, and digital shift in the first half with tonight’s guest, Abdal Mufti. How has been his high school journey like? How did he get introduced to art? How has been his university life? What’s the story of starry night by Van Gogh? How has been his childhood like? What were the careers he looked for after university? In the second half, the conversation becomes more candid and open for discussion, why his art got canceled, what he has to say about cancel culture. Tune in to know on digital art, exploding painting, society being intolerant, and more! Connect with us: • https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings • https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan Abdal Mufti’s Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/abdalmufti The Pakistan Pivot podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5TBRRZm78Q

International listeners can support TBT here: https://buy.stripe.com/14keVU54r5hQ55S000 Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group:  https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings Exploring the journey of working at multiple global enterprises with the co-founder of ezbuy, Kamran Shaukat. What has been his journey like, personal and professional? What did he do after his MBA? How did he start working at McDonald’s? What are the things learned working at Mcdonald's? What is his philosophy of life? Why had he moved to Malaysia? How did ‘Shell’ happen for him? How did he end up working at Walmart? After working at corporates majorly, why did he switch to E-commerce? What is ezbuy? How it’s going? What has he learned from Chinese? What’s his furniture business about? Tune in to know more on how he sees the growth of China, what Pakistan needs to learn for its optimal growth, and how he envisions Pakistan of 2050! Connect with us: • https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings • https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan Kamran Shaukat’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kamran-shaukat-5416a05 The Pakistan Pivot podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5TBRRZm78Q

International listeners can support TBT here: https://buy.stripe.com/14keVU54r5hQ55S000 Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group:  https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings Exploring reviving economy with imports and exports with the senior economist of World Bank, Gonzalo Varela. How did he end up being a senior economist for the world bank? What is the difference between the real exchange rate and the one we see? What is the world bank’s latest report on Pakistan’s imports? In the last decade, what’s going on with the exchange rate in Pakistan? Why it is important to have import and export parody? Tune in to know more on how to increase Pakistan’s exports and what are some of the export opportunities for Pakistan! Connect with us: • https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings • https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan Gonzalo’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gonzalo-varela-6393b425

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International listeners can support TBT here: https://buy.stripe.com/14keVU54r5hQ55S000 Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group:  https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings Exploring economic policies, global trends, and rising inflation with tonight’s guest, Hamza Farrukh. He is the Vice President at Goldman Sachs and the founder of Bondh E Shams, the solar water charity. What has been his journey like since high school to date? Did he start working at Goldman Sachs right after graduation? How has he started Bondh E Shams? How he was able to get into Wall Street? Where does he see the global economy headed towards? Is the American financial system in recovery? What economic policies are being tested all this time? How does he see The US, China, and the new economic trends? Tune in to know more new geo-economic order, what countries like Pakistan can expect, the value of a dollar, and Pakistan of 2050! Connect with us: • https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings • https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan Hamza Farrukh’s socials: Twitter: https://twitter.com/hamzafarrukh LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hamzafarrukh

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