Joining us today is Jonathan Mark Tatti, the Co founder & CEO of Begin Watch, a new Pakistani OTT platform competing with global giants like Netflix and HBO. With over 20 years in the media industry, Jonathan played key roles at Zee TV, CNBC Pakistan, and SAMAA TV, launching some of the region’s most iconic content and channels.In this episode, we dive into the real story behind Pakistan’s streaming challenges, how Begin Watch was started, the legal and content roadblocks, and how the team plans to build a platform that can rival global players. We also explore sports distribution, E-sports, content licensing, and what it really takes to build a media business in Pakistan today.This episode answers:Why build a streaming platform in Pakistan?How does Begin compete with Netflix, HBO & others?What’s the biggest challenge in acquiring content rights?Can subscription-based platforms survive here?What does Pakistan’s future look like?Stay till the end to hear about Shark Tank Pakistan, Pakistan Idol, and Jonathan’s vision for Pakistan in 2050.Socials:TBT’s Official Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings/TBT’s Official TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@tbtbymuzamilTBT’s Official Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thoughtbehindthingsMuzamil's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan/Muzamil's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/muzamilhasan/Jonathan’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-mark-t/

Joining us today is Ivana Bajamic, Chief People & Corporate Reputation Officer at National Foods Limited (NFL). She has a global background across adidas, Chalhoub, and BRF, and brings over a decade of experience in talent strategy, organizational culture, and people transformation.In this episode, we explore Pakistan’s talent pool, what’s working, where the gaps are, and how global standards can be adapted locally. Ivana shares her honest perspective on hiring in Pakistan, building accountability systems, the impact of AI on legacy companies, and why diversity and culture are no longer soft topics. This episode answers:What are the real strengths in Pakistan’s talent pool?Why do companies struggle with accountability?How can legacy companies adapt to AI?What’s needed to prepare agencies for global work?Where does Ivana see Pakistan in 2050?Watch till the end for book recommendations from Ivana.Socials:TBT’s Official Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings/TBT’s Official TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@tbtbymuzamilTBT’s Official Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thoughtbehindthingsMuzamil's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan/Muzamil's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/muzamilhasan/Ivana’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivana-bajamic-2781579/

Joining us today is Marriyum Aurangzeb, Senior Minister in the Government of Punjab and a leader in PMLN, also an associate of Maryam Nawaz. She has a background in economics and environment from King’s College London, and has held major portfolios including Information, Planning & Development, Climate Change, and Education.In this episode, we unpack the Punjab Budget 2025, what it really means for the average Pakistani, and how the government plans to fix key issues like female education, public transport, water distribution, digitization, and more. This episode answers: What are the focus areas in Budget 2025? How is PMLN approaching reform this time? Is Maryam Nawaz focused on education? What is being done for water and smog? Can digital governance actually work in Pakistan?Watch till the end for a glimpse into what Pakistan might look like by 2050.Socials:TBT’s Official Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings/TBT’s Official TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@tbtbymuzamilTBT’s Official Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thoughtbehindthingsMuzamil's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan/Muzamil's LinkedIn:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/muzamilhasan/Marriyum's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marriyum/Marriyum's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marriyum_aurangzeb/

Joining us today is Abdul Rehman Najam, a value investor and the Founder & CEO of ARN Financial Advisors, where he helps individuals and businesses navigate financial markets. He has a background in Economics from the University of Warwick and deep expertise in wealth management.In this episode, we dive into why most Pakistanis don’t invest smartly, the myths around getting rich, and what real financial literacy looks like. We also explore the mindset of long-term investing, how to ignore noise in the market, and why emotions are the biggest enemy of smart financial decisions.This episode answers:Why do most people never build wealth despite earning well?How can young Pakistanis start investing the right way?What are the most common investing mistakes?Why is long-term thinking rare in Pakistan?How can financial advisors actually add value?Watch till the end to understand more about Stock Market.Socials:TBT’s Official Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings/TBT’s Official TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@tbtbymuzamilTBT’s Official Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thoughtbehindthingsMuzamil's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan/Muzamil's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/muzamilhasan/Abdul Rehman’s YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@AbdulRehman0292/Abdul Rehman’s LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/abdulrehmannajam

Joining us today is Qumber Hussain, the Founder and CEO of Virtue Xolutions, a growing tech company he has built over the past 10 years. Under his leadership, Virtue Xolutions has expanded from a startup idea into a trusted business working with clients across industries.In this episode, we explore why many Pakistanis think small, how language barriers hold people back, and what it really takes to build global businesses. We also talk about the power of networking, how to structure a business for global clients, and why AI will reshape marketing and communication in the years ahead.This episode answers:• Why do so many Pakistanis struggle to dream big?• How does poor English block opportunities?• What stops Pakistanis from building global businesses?• What do international clients expect that most don’t deliver?• How is AI already changing the marketing game?Watch till the end to understand more about Pakistan’s Future.Socials:TBT’s Official Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthingsMuzamil's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasanMuzamil's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/muzamilhasanQumber's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/qumber-hussain-991b457b/

Joining us today is Danish Khaliq, a key figure behind HUBCO’s entry into Pakistan’s EV ecosystem, and a former Canadian government policy expert.In this episode, we discuss the true economics of electric vehicles in Pakistan, HUBCO’s partnership with BYD, and why EVs are the future. We explore the broader impact on fuel imports, air quality, and government policy, while breaking down whether Pakistan can localize EVs or even become an exporter in the future.This episode answers:• Are EVs really 3x cheaper than fuel cars?• How much can Pakistan save in fuel import bills?• Is BYD the Tesla of Asia?• Can we build EV infrastructure fast enough?• Will EVs impact Pakistan’s AQI & urban health?Watch till the end to understand more about Pakistan’s EV future.Socials:TBT’s Official Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings Muzamil's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan Muzamil's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/muzamilhasanDanish's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danish-khaliq

Join Kamyabi Network: https://kamyabinetwork.comJoining us today is Ali Asghar Jamali, the Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of Indus Motor Company Limited (IMC), the official assembler and distributor of Toyota vehicles in Pakistan. Jamali breaks down Toyota’s localization, the flaws in Pakistan’s automotive policy & what’s really going on in Pakistan’s auto industry. This video answers the following questions: What really went wrong in Pakistan’s auto sectorIs the used car market killing local auto manufacturing?The tax burden on the Auto SectorWhether electric vehicles are actually viable hereAre local cars lower in quality than imports?Can Pakistan ever manufacture and export its own cars?Watch till the end to hear Jamali’s vision for Pakistan’s automotive future in 2050.Socials:TBT’s Official Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings Muzamil's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan Muzamil's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/muzamilhasan Ali's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ali-a-jamali-4004ba69/

Join Kamyabi Network: https://kamyabinetwork.com/Guest Introduction: Joining us today is Shayan Shabir, the Founder and CEO of Strategic Pulse, a company helping businesses grow using AI, cybersecurity, and digital tools. Shayan has over 20 years of experience working across the UK, Australia, and South Asia.Before this, he was the CIO and CSO at Nova Systems, where he led a $35 million digital transformation and built a $7 million cybersecurity program. He has worked in defence, energy, and healthcare, and handled many real cyber attacks in his career.Shayan is certified in CISM, CRISC, and CDPSE, and is focused on helping businesses become faster, safer, and more future-ready.Do not forget to subscribe and press the bell icon to catch on to some amazing conversations coming your way!Socials:TBT’s Official Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings Muzamil's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan Muzamil's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/muzamilhasan Shahyan's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shahyan-s-6994261a3/Podcast Links:Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3z1cE7F Google Podcast: https://bit.ly/2S84VEd Apple Podcast: https://apple.co/3cgIkf

Join Kamyabi Network: https://kamyabinetwork.com/Guest Introduction: Joining us today is Zeeshan Sikander, the Founder & CEO of Zenkoders, a cutting-edge software company he's been passionately building since 2019. With over 10 years of experience in Software Development and Project Management, Zeeshan has grown Zenkoders from a solo venture into a team of 80+ talented individuals. His background also includes experience as a Product Development Engineer at Habib Bank Limited, where he focused on designing and developing HBL's mobile apps. At Zenkoders, they specialize in turning ideas into tangible success, offering services ranging from Mobile Apps and Web Development to Cloud Services and E-commerce. Zeeshan's vision is to lead Zenkoders to the forefront of the global software landscape, and he's always open to innovative collaborations.Do not forget to subscribe and press the bell icon to catch on to some amazing conversations coming your way!Socials:TBT’s Official Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings      Muzamil's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan  Muzamil's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/muzamilhasan    Zeeshan’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mzeeshansikander/Podcast Links:Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3z1cE7F       Google Podcast: https://bit.ly/2S84VEd        Apple Podcast: https://apple.co/3cgIkf 

Join Kamyabi Network: https://kamyabinetwork.com/Guest Introduction: Joining us today is Shajee Aijazi, a Toronto-based designer with over 10 years of experience crafting impactful digital products and design solutions. As the Founder of Design Garage and with previous experience as Sr. Lead UX Designer at Autodesk and Senior UX Designer at OPENLANE, Shajee focuses on creating user-centric designs that address both user and business needs. His expertise spans UX design, user research, and collaborating with cross-functional teams to deliver strategic UX solutions. Shajee also shares his knowledge as a UX Design Mentor at the Institute of Emerging Careers and holds a Bachelor's in Design from the Indus Valley School of Art and ArchitectureDo not forget to subscribe and press the bell icon to catch on to some amazing conversations coming your way!#thoughtbehindthings #muzamilhasan #ui #graphicdesign #shajeeaijaziSocials:TBT’s Official Instagram: / thoughtbehindthings Muzamil's Instagram: / muzamilhasan Muzamil's LinkedIn: / muzamilhasan Shajee’s LinkedIn: / shajeeaijazi Shajee’s Instagram: / shajeeaijazi Podcast Links:Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3z1cE7F Google Podcast: https://bit.ly/2S84VEd Apple Podcast: https://apple.co/3cgIkf

Join Kamyabi Network: https://kamyabinetwork.com/Guest Introduction: Joining us today is Yasir Rafiq, a results-oriented leader with over 20 years in BPO operations and talent strategy, currently a Director at ibex. Starting on the operations floor and rising to lead Talent Acquisition, Yasir brings a uniquely practical and people-centric approach to building scalable teams and systems. At ibex, he designs hiring systems and partners with operations to create high-performing teams. His expertise includes leading large-scale hiring, improving recruitment efficiency, and developing strategic partnerships within the business. Yasir's experience in building training frameworks and scaling service teams demonstrates his ability to connect people strategy with tangible results, always seeking smarter systems and stronger, more sustainable growthDo not forget to subscribe and press the bell icon to catch on to some amazing conversations coming your way!#thoughtbehindthings #muzamilhasan #ibex #yasirrafiqSocials:TBT’s Official Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings      Muzamil's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan  Muzamil's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/muzamilhasan    Yasir’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/yaser-rafiq-42b6911b/Podcast Links:Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3z1cE7F       Google Podcast: https://bit.ly/2S84VEd        Apple Podcast: https://apple.co/3cgIkf 

Guest Introduction: Joining us today is Jahangir Munawar, the visionary Chief Executive Officer of RONiN, a bootstrapped Pakistani tech company. Since 2014, Jahanagir has led RONiN in its mission to deliver high-quality, internationally competitive products while maintaining its roots in Pakistan. Under his leadership, the company has achieved remarkable growth, now distributing 600,000 products monthly. Jahanagir's driving vision is to make a substantial contribution to both Pakistan’s economy and society. He is known for his unwavering principles, commitment to fulfilling promises, and a practical approach to decision-making.Do not forget to subscribe and press the bell icon to catch on to some amazing conversations coming your way!#thoughtbehindthings #muzamilhasan #ronin #jahangirmunawarSocials:TBT’s Official Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings Muzamil's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan Muzamil's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/muzamilhasan Jahangir’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jahangir-munawar-4779b8237/Podcast Links:Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3z1cE7F Google Podcast: https://bit.ly/2S84VEd Apple Podcast: https://apple.co/3cgIkf

Guest Introduction: Joining us today is Muhammad Zayn, a seasoned expert in data storage and security solutions. With a proven track record of helping over 300 businesses streamline their data workflows, Muhammad brings a wealth of practical experience to the table. Currently serving as Technical Sales Head at Al Madina Enterprises, he specializes in designing and implementing robust NAS/SAN solutions for businesses of all sizes, ranging from 5TB to petabyte-scale deployments. His expertise encompasses system design, data security and backups, active directory integration, remote file sharing, cloud syncing, and virtual machine applications, ensuring workflow consistency and data security.Do not forget to subscribe and press the bell icon to catch on to some amazing conversations coming your way!#thoughtbehindthings #muzamilhasan #muhammadzayn #datasecuritySocials:TBT’s Official Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings Muzamil's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan Muzamil's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/muzamilhasan Zayn’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/muhammad-zayn-cissp-4032b91a1/ Al Madina Ent. Website: https://almadinapk.com/Podcast Links:Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3z1cE7F Google Podcast: https://bit.ly/2S84VEd Apple Podcast: https://apple.co/3cgIkf

Guest Introduction: Joining us today is Yaruq Nadeem, a force of nature propelling Pakistan's innovation landscape. As the spearhead of Innovation and Partnerships at the National Science & Technology Park (NSTP), he's not just talking about change – he's delivering it. In just four years, Yaruq has facilitated a staggering PKR 20+ billion in revenue and PKR 12+ billion in startup funding, ignited the spark for over 300 startups, and created 6,000 jobs, catapulting Pakistan to 88th in the Global Innovation Index. But his impact doesn't stop there. He recently led the US Embassy's groundbreaking Rising Stars Startup Competition, championing inclusivity for minorities and women. From designing internationally renowned incubation programs under TechOne to launching the 'Innovation Inside' initiative, Yaruq is a catalyst for entrepreneurial empowerment. He's even shaped the entrepreneurship curriculum at NUST and guided over 50 student-led venturesTo get more information about studying in the UK: https://www.britishcouncil.pk/study-ukDo not forget to subscribe and press the bell icon to catch on to some amazing conversations coming your way!#thoughtbehindthings #muzamilhasan #yaruqnadeem #startups Socials:TBT’s Official Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings Muzamil's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan Muzamil's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/muzamilhasan Yaruq’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/yaruqnadeem/NSTP Website: https://nstp.pk/Podcast Links:Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3z1cE7F Google Podcast: https://bit.ly/2S84VEd Apple Podcast: https://apple.co/3cgIkf

Guest Introduction: Joining us today is Johan Vandermeulen, a distinguished leader who rose from Marketing Trainee to Chief Operating Officer at BAT. Starting in 1992, he progressed through key marketing and management roles across Belgium, Turkey, and Russia, notably leading the $1.72 billion acquisition of Tekel. His tenure as Global Brand Director revitalized the Kent brand, including the launch of Kent Nanotek. His 2014 appointment to the Management Board, and subsequent promotion to COO in 2023, underscores his strategic vision and commitment to BAT's A Better Tomorrow™ vision. Holding Masters and MBA degrees from the University of Leuven, Johan combines academic expertise with extensive practical experience.Do not forget to subscribe and press the bell icon to catch on to some amazing conversations coming your way!#thoughtbehindthings #muzamilhasan #johanvandermeulen Socials:TBT’s Official Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings Muzamil's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan Muzamil's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/muzamilhasan Johan’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johan-vandermeulen-b69898150Podcast Links:Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3z1cE7F Google Podcast: https://bit.ly/2S84VEd Apple Podcast: https://apple.co/3cgIkf

Guest Introduction: Joining us today is Sonia Irum, an Assistant Professor of English at the International Islamic University Islamabad and a nature-lover with a passion for all things artistic and intellectual. Dr. Irum completed her PhD at the Royal Holloway University of London, focusing on an ecocritical study of Uzma Aslam Khan's novels. Her research interests span a wide range of topics, including environmental humanities, consumerism, creative writing, and feminist literary studies. She is also the coordinator of the Critical Thinking Forum, where she has organized numerous events to foster dialogue between students and civil society. Dr. Irum's work has been published in national and international journals, and she frequently shares her insights on social and literary issues through blog articles and media appearances. To get more information about studying in the UK: https://www.britishcouncil.pk/study-ukDo not forget to subscribe and press the bell icon to catch on to some amazing conversations coming your way!#thoughtbehindthings #muzamilhasan #soniairum Socials:TBT’s Official Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings Muzamil's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan Muzamil's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/muzamilhasan Dr Sonia’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sonia-irum-1749a637Podcast Links:Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3z1cE7F Google Podcast: https://bit.ly/2S84VEd Apple Podcast: https://apple.co/3cgIkf

Guest Introduction: Joining us today is Fahad Masood Lone, an accountant turned real estate developer, is building a unique resort in Nathia Gali, aiming to redefine tourism in Pakistan. He left his family business to create more productive and sustainable real estate options. In the podcast, we delve deep into his unconventional journey, the project's innovative solutions to infrastructure challenges, and why he believes it's a game-changer for Pakistan's tourism industry. Do not forget to subscribe and press the bell icon to catch on to some amazing conversations coming your way! #thoughtbehindthings #muzamilhasan #realestate #fahadmasud #serene Socials: Fahad’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/fahadmlone Fahad’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/fahad-masud Serene Resort’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sereneheightshotelsandresorts TBT’s Official Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings Muzamil's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan Muzamil's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/muzamilhasan Podcast Links: Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3z1cE7F Google Podcast: https://bit.ly/2S84VEd Apple Podcast: https://apple.co/3cgIkf

Guest Introduction: Joining us today is Irfan Wahab Khan, a telecommunications leader with a career spanning North America, Europe, and Asia. He currently serves as the CEO of Telenor Pakistan and Chairman of Telenor Microfinance Bank. His extensive experience includes roles with Orange, T-Mobile, Ericsson, and Telcordia Technologies. A long-time contributor to Telenor, he was a founding member of Telenor Pakistan's startup team in 2004. Khan's leadership extends to board positions with Grameenphone Bangladesh, PTCL in Pakistan, and Telenor Myanmar. Do not forget to subscribe and press the bell icon to catch on to some amazing conversations coming your way! #thoughtbehindthings #muzamilhasan #irfanwahab #easypaisa Socials: TBT’s Official Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings Muzamil's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan Muzamil's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/muzamilhasan Irfan Wahab’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/irfan-wahab-khan-11986915/ Podcast Links: Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3z1cE7F Google Podcast: https://bit.ly/2S84VEd Apple Podcast: https://apple.co/3cgIkf

LIMITED SEATS! JOIN THE MASTERCLASS: https://muzamilhasan.com/courses Guest Introduction: Joining us today is Iffi Wala, a Pakistani-American entrepreneur who discusses his journey from immigrating to the US in 1991 to founding Edge, a company connecting non-tech businesses in developed countries with non-tech talent in emerging markets like Pakistan. He details his entrepreneurial experiences, emphasising Edge's mission to create a trustworthy platform for global hiring and its impact on job creation and economic development in Pakistan while addressing challenges like political instability and infrastructure limitations. The conversation also explores the evolution of global hiring practices, contrasting Edge's direct employment model with traditional outsourcing and highlighting the importance of upskilling and cultural understanding. Finally, the interview concludes with the founder's optimistic outlook on Pakistan's economic potential. Do not forget to subscribe and press the bell icon to catch on to some amazing conversations coming your way! #thoughtbehindthings #muzamilhasan #iffiwala #jobhiring Socials: TBT’s Official Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings Muzamil's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan Muzamil's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/muzamilhasan Iffi Wala’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/iwahla/ Podcast Links: Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3z1cE7F Google Podcast: https://bit.ly/2S84VEd Apple Podcast: https://apple.co/3cgIkf

JOIN my EXCLUSIVE 'Inner Circle' with weekly live sessions, mentorship, meetups and MORE: https://muzamilhasan.com/inner-circle In today's episode of Dil Ki Baat, we're diving deep into the heart of Pakistan's relationship with wealth and success. Buckle up as we explore the puzzling paradox of why genuine wealth creators and entrepreneurs often get sidelined, while those with questionable ethics and "get-rich-quick" schemes seem to steal the spotlight. We'll dissect the reasons behind this warped perception, from the lingering impact of historical events to the allure of social media mirages. Plus, we'll expose the tactics used by those who exploit the system, and I'll share some personal experiences that shed light on the value of genuine effort and ethical wealth creation. Get ready for some straight talk and critical thinking – it's time to challenge the status quo and redefine what it truly means to be successful in Pakistan. Socials: TBT’s Official Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings Muzamil's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan Muzamil's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/muzamilhasan Podcast Links: Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3z1cE7F Google Podcast: https://bit.ly/2S84VEd Apple Podcast: https://apple.co/3cgIkf